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Harris 129th case 2024-48085; physical pages are one greater than printed transcript pages after the exhibit divider.
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1HearingJanuary 16, 2024 REPORTER'S RECORD VOLUME 1 OF 1 VOLUMES TRIAL COURT CAUSE NO. 2024-48085 ATLANTIC WAVE HOLDINGS, ) IN THE DISTRICT COURT LLC AND SECURE COMMUNITY, )LLC )) vs. ) HARRIS COUNTY, TEXAS ) CYBERLUX CORPORATION AND )MARK D. )SCHMIDT, INDIVIDUALLY ) 129TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT _____________________________________________ HEARING _____________________________________________ On the 16TH day of January, 2025, the followingproceedings came on to be held in the above-titledand numbered cause before the Honorable MichaelGomez, Judge Presiding, held in Houston, HarrisCounty, Texas. Proceedings reported by computerized stenotypemachine.
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Welter acknowledges no visits or personal knowledge of facility contents.
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99William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. ClarkMS. CLARK: Your Honor, I'm going toobject as nonresponsive.THE COURT: Sustained.She hasn't posed a question. So untilthen, please don't say anything.THE WITNESS: Okay.Q (By Ms. Clark) I just wanted to direct yourattention to what you were just talking to your counselabout, and that was a statement in the disclosures withrespect to the -- an address reference. Do you remember talking to your attorneyabout that, sir?A For the address of Cyberlux or their Spring,Texas, facility?Q Spring, Texas, sir.A Yes, I remember that.Q I'm trying to go get to that page.Have you ever visited the facility inSpring, Texas?A I have not.Q So you don't know what's inside it, right?A I do not. We've been trying to find out forabout a year and -- with no -- no --MS. CLARK: Your Honor, I'm going toobject again as nonresponsive.
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Welter confirms specified sanctions paid and believes original judgment fees paid.
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101William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. ClarkMS. CLARK: Okay. Okay.THE COURT: The amended and final order.So --MS. CLARK: Okay.A I'm having trouble finding it, but I know thejudgment pretty well. And if you want to -- I don'twant to hold you up any further. If you want to goforward. I cannot find a copy on my computer of thejudgment for some reason.Q (By Ms. Clark) Well, sir, so within thejudgment it talks about specifically that there is anamount of $177,126.19 for reasonable attorney's fees. Do you remember that part of the judgment?A I do.Q Okay.MR. VARGO: Objection, relevance.THE COURT: It's overruled. I'll let her -- MR. VARGO: All right.THE COURT: -- for right now.Q (By Ms. Clark) And you were talking with theCourt earlier. My understanding is that that amount of$177,126.19 has been paid; is that true?A I don't mean to interrupt you, but I have founda copy of it.
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Clark acknowledges unobjectionable requests should have been answered separately.
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25HearingJanuary 16, 2024THE COURT: The Court is back on therecord. So I've been tendered a copy ofPlaintiffs' first set of requests for admissions todefendant.Did they respond to that, the RFAs?MR. PENNETTI: Sorry, Your Honor?THE COURT: I'm assuming they responded tothe RFAs?MR. PENNETTI: Judge, we have a Motion forProtection pending. We asked for a hearing on that.Mr. Grady didn't give us availability. Your firstavailability when I asked for the hearing was actuallyMonday of this week, and I never got a substantiveresponse on that. And then we engaged on a variety ofother motion --THE COURT: So you haven't responded tothe RFAs?MR. PENNETTI: No.And, again, Your Honor, as Ms. Clarkpointed out, those are not standard post-judgment RFAsanyways. They're outside the scope. The scope ofpost-judgment discovery is relevant to the collectionefforts. And most of those, as you'll see, are not.MR. VARGO: Admit that Cyberlux has not
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Exhibit 2 contains a reporter-certified hearing transcript in Harris County 129th District Court case 2024-48085, Atlantic Wave/Secure Commu
Exhibit 2 contains a reporter-certified hearing transcript in Harris County 129th District Court case 2024-48085, Atlantic Wave/Secure Community v Cyberlux/Schmidt. Title body dates the hearing 16 January 2025 before Michael Gomez; running headers say 2024. The appearances actually print Travis Vargas, while dialogue uses Vargo; these discrepancies are preserved.
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1HearingJanuary 16, 2024 REPORTER'S RECORD VOLUME 1 OF 1 VOLUMES TRIAL COURT CAUSE NO. 2024-48085 ATLANTIC WAVE HOLDINGS, ) IN THE DISTRICT COURT LLC AND SECURE COMMUNITY, )LLC )) vs. ) HARRIS COUNTY, TEXAS ) CYBERLUX CORPORATION AND )MARK D. )SCHMIDT, INDIVIDUALLY ) 129TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT _____________________________________________ HEARING _____________________________________________ On the 16TH day of January, 2025, the followingproceedings came on to be held in the above-titledand numbered cause before the Honorable MichaelGomez, Judge Presiding, held in Houston, HarrisCounty, Texas. Proceedings reported by computerized stenotypemachine.
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Gomez expects AEO to be rare and properly justified, warns possible sanctions for abuse and says collection-related enforcement fees may be
Gomez expects AEO to be rare and properly justified, warns possible sanctions for abuse and says collection-related enforcement fees may be awarded. These warnings are conditional; no present finding that designations were abused or sanctions imposed appears.
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46HearingJanuary 16, 2024motions because they're the ones withholding thedocuments pursuant to whatever it is that they're sayingis so confidential and proprietary and that we shouldn'thave, as opposed to us continuing to expend resources onthese items.THE COURT: Response.MS. CLARK: Your Honor, I just -- we hadtime out there. Nothing was proposed to us. I think Iunderstand what he's saying, but I would love to seewhat it really looks like on paper. I mean, if thebottom line is, is that you want us to come to court butwe can mark them and they're going to remain AEO for atime, I don't have a problem with that, Your Honor.I don't think there's any issue with that.I think we would have the burden to show they're AEO atthe end of the day no matter what.THE COURT: So I -- look, it'spost-judgment. I don't think I've had an AEOpost-judgment discovery --MR. VARGO: Exactly.THE COURT: -- issue, ever. So myassumption is you're going to have very few AEOdocuments, unless they involve something that is a tradesecret, a privilege of some sort, some sort of nationalsecurity issue.
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Schmidt deposition arrangements are debated. Clark identifies Charles Watts as her client contact and disclaims knowing Schmidt residence/sc
Schmidt deposition arrangements are debated. Clark identifies Charles Watts as her client contact and disclaims knowing Schmidt residence/schedule. Vargo explains an in-person preference from other cases, expressly disavowing ethical accusations against present counsel after Clark objects.
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50HearingJanuary 16, 2024compensated with attorney's fees, I'll award attorney'sfees to the degree that they -- it's post-judgment.They should be complying. They should be giving youstuff. To the degree that you have to spend time,write motions, do that thing, I'm going to awardattorney's fees, right? So you're going to get thatback to the degree you can get any of that back.But we're spending a lot of time talkingabout hypotheticals. Let's see what they do, and thenwe talk about what happens. So I'll go ahead and enterthat order, and then we can move on discovery and thenwe can move on to this other stuff.So the Court -- what are the -- so what'sthe outstanding discovery? So you have your firstrequest, and then you have -- you want to do aninspection, and then you wanted to do depos.MR. GRADY: Yes, Your Honor.THE COURT: What did you want to deal withfirst?MR. GRADY: Depositions.THE COURT: So who are you looking to dodepos of?MR. GRADY: Three witnesses; NeillWhiteley, Phil Tucker, and Mark Schmidt. Mark Schmidt
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Pennetti describes Whiteley/Tucker as consultants, says they retained independent counsel January 5, and reports former representation. Gome
Pennetti describes Whiteley/Tucker as consultants, says they retained independent counsel January 5, and reports former representation. Gomez orders their in-person depositions and Schmidt by video within 30 days, permitting later return if video is uncooperative.
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55HearingJanuary 16, 2024imagine why we couldn't find a time and a date in30 days that we can present him. We've been able to dothat each time we've gone out looking for dates.THE COURT: Okay. And let me tablewhether it's in person or not for a moment.Who are the other two folks?MR. GRADY: Neill Whiteley and PhillipTucker.THE COURT: Whiteley. And what's hisrelationship to the case?MR. GRADY: So there's been some confusionor -- you know, we asked opposing counsel, you know,their capacities and were told different things atdifferent times. I've got notes.THE COURT: I'm sorry. Whiteley'srelationship, again, is what?MR. GRADY: Well, we believe that they'reexecutives of Cyberlux and that they're represented bysame counsel over here.THE COURT: Is that true?MS. CLARK: No, Your Honor. AndMr. Pennetti knows the details.MR. PENNETTI: It's been our understandingthey've been consultants. I've conveyed thatconsistently ever since this started. Both of them were
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Counsel ultimately accepts answering RFAs and producing responsive documents to 18 RFPs. Gomez permits late RFA responses and says motions f
Counsel ultimately accepts answering RFAs and producing responsive documents to 18 RFPs. Gomez permits late RFA responses and says motions for protection generally do not substitute for request-specific objections; Pennetti disputes waiver under the rules before agreeing to production. The transcript does not establish every RFA as a final deemed admission.
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57HearingJanuary 16, 2024THE COURT: Okay. So you're fine withboth of them?MR. PENNETTI: Yeah.THE COURT: Okay. So 30 days, they canappear in person?MR. PENNETTI: I don't see why not.THE COURT: Okay. So we'll order allthree in 30 days. The two local folks, they'll be inperson; and Mr. Schmidt via video deposition. If itturns out it's a problem, he's not cooperative, then youcan come back and say, I want an in-person depo. Sothat will be the -- that will be the potential sanction.What's next?MR. GRADY: Written discovery. We've gotrequests for production, request for admissions. Ibelieve we have interrogatories, too.MR. PENNETTI: That's right.THE COURT: So I have RFAs 1 through 31.Any of these you find highly problematic that you can'tanswer yes or no?MR. PENNETTI: Based on my recollection,no. But let me -- I don't remember any that are highlyproblematic. The ones that I point out, No. 9references a government contract. And while I think myclients did reference that contract online, I'm not sure
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Defence seeks an inspection protocol recording attendees, photographs/video exchange and confidentiality. Gomez permits notice to the landlo
Defence seeks an inspection protocol recording attendees, photographs/video exchange and confidentiality. Gomez permits notice to the landlord but questions a landlord veto. Creditors request immediate access due to alleged movement risk; that risk is not a finding of actual dissipation.
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63HearingJanuary 16, 2024sufficient.And so that being said, is there somethinghere that you have an issue with that you would like thecourt to address?MR. PENNETTI: Not at this time.THE COURT: Okay. So you're fine withproducing documents responsive?MR. PENNETTI: Yes.THE COURT: Okay. So it looks like we'regood with 18.Do we have anything else?MR. GRADY: The site inspection.THE COURT: Where are we on the siteinspection?MR. PENNETTI: The only thing I'd say iswhat's important with that is we'd have to have somesort of protocol. It can be very basic, a record ofwho's there, whether there's going to be photographs,videos taken, a provision for exchange of those, andthen the fact that the inspection and anythingcollected -- data collected there is subject to theprotective order, and that's all we ask. And, again, I think we're generally finewith that, so long as the real property owner and theowner of the property and if we give them notice, I
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Clark describes two noncontiguous industrial units, predominantly storage, with uncertain office arrangements and no personal visit. Counsel
Clark describes two noncontiguous industrial units, predominantly storage, with uncertain office arrangements and no personal visit. Counsel unsuccessfully attempts client contact; court moves towards inspection within three business days.
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67HearingJanuary 16, 2024time to move the stuff, which is exactly our concern --reason for having it done quickly.MR. PENNETTI: I don't really think thisis a --THE COURT: Where's the warehouse?MR. GRADY: In Spring, Texas.THE COURT: And it's a warehouse, right?MR. PENNETTI: That's right.THE COURT: Can you describe it for me,please?MR. PENNETTI: It's a --MS. CLARK: It's two units at anindustrial complex in the Spring, Texas area that -- Ican't remember the square footage, but they'rerelatively large. I bet it would take a little while towalk it, if that helps Your Honor. It's, like, Unit Aand D; and they're not contiguous. That's what I know.I have not visited the site, but I've seen pictures.THE COURT: Is it -- are people officedthere, or is it just a storage warehouse?MR. PENNETTI: Predominantly storage.MS. CLARK: I think -- yeah, I think atone time it had manufacturing capability; but at thispoint my understanding is that it's primary storage ofthe produced product.
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Watts/Robinson depositions are not yet noticed and are left for cooperative scheduling. After discussing fourteen calendar days for written
Watts/Robinson depositions are not yet noticed and are left for cooperative scheduling. After discussing fourteen calendar days for written discovery, Gomez specifies January 29 and corrects the inspection date to January 22. Grady acknowledges the writ had not been executed.
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72HearingJanuary 16, 2024discussing dates with the other side. They're importantwitnesses; Charles Watts, Chuck Watts, and JimmyRobinson, too. So we -- and that's it. That's all thedepositions. I forgot to mention those. My apologies.THE COURT: That's fine. But you haven'tnoticed them yet, right?MR. GRADY: We have not. We werediscussing dates and trying to arrange it.THE COURT: I'll just see if you folks canwork it out, and then the assumption is that they'llprovide you dates soon. And then you'll find a datewithin the next -- within a reasonable time period. MR. GRADY: Okay.THE COURT: If they don't provide dates,then we can have a conversation about it. But I'll letyou work together first.MR. GRADY: Will do, Your Honor.THE COURT: Okay. Let me go ahead and --how much time did you need to respond to the discoveryrequests?MR. PENNETTI: Judge, may I havetwo weeks?THE COURT: Is that fine? Fourteen days?MR. GRADY: Fourteen days, calender days?THE COURT: Yes.
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Creditors allege receivables were factored contrary to settlement and urge a receiver for economical collection and subsidiary sale. Clark d
Creditors allege receivables were factored contrary to settlement and urge a receiver for economical collection and subsidiary sale. Clark disputes statutory prerequisites, alleges harassment and opposes takeover powers. Welter interrupts to deny a shutdown-intent accusation. Competing allegations remain attributed; counsel again stipulates Catalyst is a subsidiary.
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74HearingJanuary 16, 2024MR. GRADY: Well, the other side has shownthat they have been evasive with discovery; but, also --of course, we have discovery orders today; but moreimportantly, they've dissipated assets. They had anagreement in place with us that they would give us apercentage of the receivables; and then without tellingus, they sold that to a factory company.THE COURT: So was this agreement thesettlement agreement on the Virginia judgment?MR. GRADY: Exactly, Your Honor.THE COURT: When was that entered into?MR. GRADY: It was entered into, I think,current -- around the time of the judgment, which is inJune of '23. And then I was informed by my client, whocould speak in greater detail, but that they learnedabout this either in October or November about thesale -- they had sold the receivables to the factor muchearlier in '24, I believe in March, and then -- but wedid not find out until late, you know, in the fall.THE COURT: So you entered into asettlement agreement June 15th?MR. GRADY: Yes, that sounds right,Your Honor.THE COURT: Okay. So right after you gotthe judgment, or right around?
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Audio difficulties precede the explicit oath at physical page 87. Welter then identifies himself as managing director/legal counsel for the
Audio difficulties precede the explicit oath at physical page 87. Welter then identifies himself as managing director/legal counsel for the creditor side. Earlier exchanges must not silently be reclassified as sworn testimony.
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85HearingJanuary 16, 2024MR. WELTER: Yes, Judge. Can you hear me?THE COURT: I can. I think -- can youspeak up?MR. WELTER: When counsel speaks from thetable, I can hear them fine. It's just when they stand.Someone just opened up the whole courthouse view. So Ican now see the whole courtroom. And when they standup, for some reason maybe they're too far from themicrophone.THE COURT: Yeah, the microphones are infront of them.But you're not getting any reverb, and youcan hear me?MR. WELTER: I can hear you fine, Judge.THE COURT: Can we test?Counsel, can you --MR. VARGO: Yes. Can you hear me?MR. WELTER: Yes. MR. VARGO: Outstanding.MR. WELTER: Whoever just spoke, I canhear.MR. PENNETTI: Can you hear us?MR. WELTER: Yes.THE COURT: Okay. Let's -- it's supposedto be piping through here, through the Court's speakers.
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Welter authenticates a September 30, 2024 amended quarterly disclosure downloaded from OTC Markets, says filed November 14, and describes ob
Welter authenticates a September 30, 2024 amended quarterly disclosure downloaded from OTC Markets, says filed November 14, and describes obtaining/printing it. He is unsure whether counsel used his copy or a separate download. His description of OTC as pseudo-governmental is his characterisation, not an adopted institutional fact.
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89William Welter - January 16, 2024Direct Examination by Mr. VargoA Okay.Q And tell us what you're looking at.A The disclosure statement pursuant to thePink -- Pink basic disclosure guidelines, CyberluxCorporation.Q Okay. Hold on just a moment.THE COURT: You have a copy of that, I'massuming?MR. VARGO: I do. It's filed in therecord. It's the 66-page document.THE COURT: Does opposing counsel have acopy?MR. PENNETTI: We have a copy.MR. VARGO: All right.MS. CLARK: Well, Your Honor, excuse me.My confusion is just that the document I have is labeledExhibit 3, and he just said Exhibit 2. Think we'retalking about the same thing, but I just want todouble-check. I apologize.MR. VARGO: Yeah, no problem. Here yougo. On the docket, it's the one that's 66 pages.MS. CLARK: Okay. Thank you.MR. VARGO: Yes.Q (By Mr. Vargo) Okay. Sir, so on -- let me pullthis thing back up.
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Creditors request receivership and premises access, alleging obstructed post-judgment discovery. Defence disputes obstruction and says gover
Creditors request receivership and premises access, alleging obstructed post-judgment discovery. Defence disputes obstruction and says government/Ukraine contractual sensitivity requires a protective order. Gomez treats asset discovery broadly but distinguishes receivership from particular turnover.
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3HearingJanuary 16, 2024THE COURT: Court's on the record, CauseNo. 2024-48085, Atlantic Wave Holdings, LLC versusCyberlux.Will everyone, please, introducethemselves for the record?MR. GRADY: Good afternoon, Your Honor.Shawn Grady for Atlantic Wave Holdings. And myco-counsel, Travis Vargo, is here, as well.MR. PENNETTI: Alex Pennetti for Cyberluxand Mark Schmidt.MS. CLARK: Katharine Clark on behalf ofCyberlux and Mark Schmidt.THE COURT: So how can I help you today?MR. VARGO: Well, I believe there's acouple matters that are set for today. One is anapplication of appointment of post-judgment receiverunder Texas C.P.R.C. 31.002, the turnover statute. Andthe other one is a request for access to the premises.In this case there's a written motion.There's also ample evidence inside the docket that wouldsupport the appointment of a receiver. The -- to theextent that it's deficient, we would also ask for accessto a premises. Because in the debtor's response,they're saying, Well, there's no evidence attached tothe application of what's at that premises.
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The report is admitted as Plaintiffs Exhibit 2 after hearsay objections. Clark accepts its source and Schmidt/Downing certification but argu
The report is admitted as Plaintiffs Exhibit 2 after hearsay objections. Clark accepts its source and Schmidt/Downing certification but argues consolidated retrospective accounts do not identify debtor-specific executable assets. Gomez overrules hearsay while leaving weight and meaning open; admission is not a title finding.
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93William Welter - January 16, 2024Direct Examination by Mr. Vargoor important concerning Section 5 on page 18 of 46?A Well, it -- in this section, it details thedifferent companies that are involved with Cyberlux. Ittalks about their -- what is located at each facility.And primarily to Texas, it says, Catalyst Machineworkshas its offices and manufacturing facilities located at21631 Road, Spring, Texas 77488. And then it goes on to say, This is a21,450-foot square-foot facility, with a renewablethree-year lease, with one and a quarter year remaining.Q Is this document a true and correct copy of thedisclosure that you downloaded from the OTC's website?A Yes.Q All right. I see the next paragraph down thererefers to "our Datron World Communications subsidiary." Is that what it says there?MS. CLARK: Your Honor, I object. Thedocument speaks for itself -- A That is correct.MR. CLARK: -- and it's not in evidence,Your Honor.THE COURT: That's fine.MR. VARGO: I move to admit thedisclosure.THE COURT: You're seeking to move what,
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On cross-examination Welter acknowledges never visiting the Spring or Datron Vista facilities and not knowing what is inside either. His fac
On cross-examination Welter acknowledges never visiting the Spring or Datron Vista facilities and not knowing what is inside either. His facility knowledge is documentary, not an inventory inspection.
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99William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. ClarkMS. CLARK: Your Honor, I'm going toobject as nonresponsive.THE COURT: Sustained.She hasn't posed a question. So untilthen, please don't say anything.THE WITNESS: Okay.Q (By Ms. Clark) I just wanted to direct yourattention to what you were just talking to your counselabout, and that was a statement in the disclosures withrespect to the -- an address reference. Do you remember talking to your attorneyabout that, sir?A For the address of Cyberlux or their Spring,Texas, facility?Q Spring, Texas, sir.A Yes, I remember that.Q I'm trying to go get to that page.Have you ever visited the facility inSpring, Texas?A I have not.Q So you don't know what's inside it, right?A I do not. We've been trying to find out forabout a year and -- with no -- no --MS. CLARK: Your Honor, I'm going toobject again as nonresponsive.
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Welter believes $177,126.19 judgment fees were paid and confirms sanctions of $3,895 and $6,842.50 were paid. He explains roughly $371,307 i
Welter believes $177,126.19 judgment fees were paid and confirms sanctions of $3,895 and $6,842.50 were paid. He explains roughly $371,307 in further fees by settlement entitlement, expressly saying they are not in the examined Virginia order. The transcript gives inconsistent dates for the Petersen letter and both .60/.66 fee endings; retain that uncertainty.
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101William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. ClarkMS. CLARK: Okay. Okay.THE COURT: The amended and final order.So --MS. CLARK: Okay.A I'm having trouble finding it, but I know thejudgment pretty well. And if you want to -- I don'twant to hold you up any further. If you want to goforward. I cannot find a copy on my computer of thejudgment for some reason.Q (By Ms. Clark) Well, sir, so within thejudgment it talks about specifically that there is anamount of $177,126.19 for reasonable attorney's fees. Do you remember that part of the judgment?A I do.Q Okay.MR. VARGO: Objection, relevance.THE COURT: It's overruled. I'll let her -- MR. VARGO: All right.THE COURT: -- for right now.Q (By Ms. Clark) And you were talking with theCourt earlier. My understanding is that that amount of$177,126.19 has been paid; is that true?A I don't mean to interrupt you, but I have founda copy of it.
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Defence renews lack-of-proof and overbreadth objections; creditors rely on the admitted disclosure and subsidiaries. The court raises LLC ch
Defence renews lack-of-proof and overbreadth objections; creditors rely on the admitted disclosure and subsidiaries. The court raises LLC charging orders; Clark believes Catalyst is an LLC but is unsure about Datron and pledges. Discussion of secured assets does not resolve particular lien or ownership rights.
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105William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. Clarkthe judgment.MS. CLARK: Your Honor, I pass thewitness.MR. WELTER: Judge, can I add one thing tothat last sentence?THE COURT: No.MR. WELTER: All right. Thank you.THE COURT: Did you have any questions?MR. VARGO: No, Judge.THE COURT: Okay. Any other witnesses orany other evidence?MR. VARGO: No.THE COURT: Okay.Okay. So what -- so where are we at now? MR. VARGO: Plaintiffs move for entry ofan application to appointment a receiver.MS. CLARK: Obviously, Your Honor -- orwould you like to hear my argument about why itshouldn't be awarded?THE COURT: Yes, please.MS. CLARK: Your Honor, we object to theappointment of a receiver. The statutory prerequisitesof 31.002 have not been met. Mr. Welter testified hehad no knowledge of the property that's located inSpring, Texas, or at the Datron facility.
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Clark maintains settlement compliance and reports a California stay. Gomez says he relies on the unsuperseded Virginia judgment unless Virgi
Clark maintains settlement compliance and reports a California stay. Gomez says he relies on the unsuperseded Virginia judgment unless Virginia acts, and requires an amended turnover order confined to assets supported by evidence, identified in dialogue as Datron and the other entity.
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112William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. Clarkturnover, it's going to disrupt; and then we're notgoing to have anything to pay. And it's going to be aproblem.But I don't think those discussions havebeen had, right?MS. CLARK: No. We've been spending allour time just trying to get ready for today, and we -- Ithink the parties -- the most they could do is say,Let's try mediation and -- THE COURT: And I'm not -- MS. CLARK: So, no, I don't think thediscussions have been had.THE COURT: I understand, Counselor. AndI appreciate that you've just been brought on; but thisis not a new judgment for your client, right? So I'mnot -- I'm talking about your client when I --MS. CLARK: Yes. No, no, no. THE COURT: And I'm not -- MS. CLARK: That's what I was speaking to,whose talked about it.THE COURT: And I appreciate your positionas counsel being difficult, but I'm trying to -- we'rereally just talking about the judgment debtor here, whathave they done since the judgment was entered -- MS. CLARK: Right.
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Receiver fees, qualifications and overlapping discovery require amended drafting. Clark describes a proposed 25 percent cap; Vargo agrees to
Receiver fees, qualifications and overlapping discovery require amended drafting. Clark describes a proposed 25 percent cap; Vargo agrees to address fees and specificity. Gomez preserves receiver discovery but requires coordination with discovery already ordered.
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115William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. ClarkTHE COURT: The -- the other thing is Ithink there's been some recent case law regardingreceiver fees that you might want to take a look at.MR. VARGO: I'm familiar. It's apresumptive fee, and there's a subsequent hearing. THE COURT: Yeah.MR. VARGO: He needs to talk about histime and the factors.THE COURT: Yeah. So I don't know ifthat's been -- the order has been changed to reflectthat.MS. CLARK: Right now, Your Honor, itspeaks to a 25 percent cap to be earned on everythingthat is taken and sold. And the case law, as I recall,Your Honor, talks about the resume being required of thereceiver to understand their qualifications to evenserve and then to look at what is appropriate, becauseit has to be reasonable. And so right now I do not think that theorder, as it's written, takes into account that caselaw.MR. VARGO: We'll file an amended order,and we'll address those two items. If she's gotconcerns about the qualifications, can I call Mr.Berleth to talk about his qualifications?
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Robert Berleth presents receivership experience and associations, proposes initially working with both sides towards payment, and describes rapid protective powers if assets are hidden. He says fees are for court approval, with hypothetical reductions and payment allocations. These are proposed practice and examples, not fees adjudicated here.
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118William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. ClarkMR. VARGO: I can cut out any duplicativestuff; but, I mean, I would submit that the RFPs thatare attached -- I say "RFPs," the requests for documentsrelated to the debtor that we ordered be produced, thisis, you know, elementary-type stuff. Where are yourbank accounts? What are your assets?THE COURT: Right. And so I understandthere's a continuing obligation and whatnot. That'sfine. Why don't you take a look at that. And you cantake a look at the form.MR. VARGO: I can condense it and cut itdown and obviously send an MS Word to your staff so youcan -- with copy to counsel, of course.MS. CLARK: Your Honor, I really thinkit's important to go through this order. Because thisis an extreme remedy to have a receiver appointed tojust come in and open our mail, change our locks.THE COURT: So is that the plan, or what'sthe plan? And so why don't you introduce yourselffor the record.MR. BERLETH: Your Honor, may I approach?THE COURT: Yes. MR. BERLETH: My name is Robert Berleth.I'm the proposed receiver. I am a member in good
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Gomez announces he will grant the application and appoint a receiver, expressly stating the proposed order then before him is not the order he will enter and requires amendments.
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124William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. Clarka record with respect to objecting to this form oforder? Because I was not done, and I really want arecord on this.THE COURT: Okay. So before you do that,the Court is going to grant the application and appointa receiver. We need to -- we talked about fixing theorder and amending it to address the concerns that wereraised before. And so what the Court currently has isnot what I'm going to enter. I don't know specifically what yourobjection -- if you have additional objections thanwe've already discussed.MS. CLARK: Yes.THE COURT: Yes, you want to go ahead andelaborate on those?MS. CLARK: Yes, I would, Your Honor. The receiver statute states that the Courtmay appoint a receiver with the authority to takepossession of the nonexempt property, sell it, and paythe proceeds to the judgment creditor to the extentrequired to satisfy the judgment. That's what the statute says. This orderdoes not do that. This order allows the receiver lotsof powers. And, basically, he can go on a wild goosechase, look at everything. What's the point of the
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Clark preserves objections to broad records, mail, lock, cash and business-control powers. Vargo agrees turnover is against the company only; Gomez directs removal of Schmidt from the amended turnover order. Discovery remains broader than the limited turnover property.
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124William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. Clarka record with respect to objecting to this form oforder? Because I was not done, and I really want arecord on this.THE COURT: Okay. So before you do that,the Court is going to grant the application and appointa receiver. We need to -- we talked about fixing theorder and amending it to address the concerns that wereraised before. And so what the Court currently has isnot what I'm going to enter. I don't know specifically what yourobjection -- if you have additional objections thanwe've already discussed.MS. CLARK: Yes.THE COURT: Yes, you want to go ahead andelaborate on those?MS. CLARK: Yes, I would, Your Honor. The receiver statute states that the Courtmay appoint a receiver with the authority to takepossession of the nonexempt property, sell it, and paythe proceeds to the judgment creditor to the extentrequired to satisfy the judgment. That's what the statute says. This orderdoes not do that. This order allows the receiver lotsof powers. And, basically, he can go on a wild goosechase, look at everything. What's the point of the
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Clark distinguishes subsidiary stock/lease rights from warehouse goods asserted government-owned. Gomez asks Berleth not to sell government property and expressly stresses potential liens/security/government interests; Berleth agrees to respect those boundaries. This is notice of unresolved interests and expected restraint, not an adjudication that particular drones are federal property.
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130William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. Clarkreasonably small amount of property that's going to besold that's not going to satisfy the judgment, he needsto absolutely sequester that, keep it safe, and makesure that he has the ability to sell it.Many times things might weigh a lot. Atransport could be crazy. I can tell you personallythat I went to South Texas one time and dealt with 23locomotives. I had to get a special court order out ofHarris County to specifically sequester the property inplace and hold an auction within 48 hours.Well, there was a lot of heavy equipment.It was 2 miles from the border. All types ofcircumstances come up that would require very heightenedauthority. In this instance, that doesn't mean he hasto use it.MS. CLARK: We're not talking about --they identified leasehold rights and stock. We are nottalking about the property that's inside it, which theystate is owned by a subsidiary, we state is owned by thegovernment. So we're talking about stock. We'retalking about leasehold rights. So that's where I havethe issue.THE COURT: Right. Mr. Berleth, you're not going to sellgovernment property, right?
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Early discussion explores a discovery-focused receiver without immediate turnover, AEO restrictions and the need for an identified nonexempt asset. These are preliminary positions, not the final disposition reached later.
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8HearingJanuary 16, 2024But that being said, I do agree with theconcept that, Look, if you're not telling us what youhave and you're hiding your assets, then thatspecificity requirement can't be met; and you can'treally hold the receiver responsible -- or the applicantresponsible for the failure to provide that information.So it weighs against the denial of a Motion forTurnover.So that's just sort of -- so I agree withthose sort of guiding principles. So to the -- if theissue is, Look, we're not willing to turn over becausewe're concerned about them giving it to third parties, Idon't have a problem with that conceptually. I don'tknow what the problem is on a protective order.What's your issue?MR. GRADY: Your Honor, I can speak tothis.They did submit a protective order fromthe Southern District. It has an attorney's eyes onlyprovision on there. And, you know, we don't -- I don'tunderstand this business, and I need -- my client needsto see the documents, simple as that. But we havemade --THE COURT: So why does your client needto see the business?
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Clark asks about bond and seeks immediate written order to preserve clarity and remedies. Gomez declines in-court interlineation, requires amendment/circulation/conference and feedback, allows objections until Monday and anticipates entry Tuesday. Vargo promises a draft tomorrow. No signed receiver order or later performance is appended.
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133William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. Clarkproperty interests. They deal with the government. Thegovernment may have some interest, and you don't want torun afoul of any of those potential issues. And so I assume you're going to try toclear all that up and make sure you're doing the rightthing as it relates to that kind of property.MR. BERLETH: Correct, Your Honor. I havenot been as successful in this courthouse by beingunreasonable.THE COURT: Again, and some of this isrhetorical; but we're just having this conversation onthe record so there's no misunderstandings. And you --I'm sure you're -- I'm sure this is not anything that isa problem; but just so we're clear, we've had thisdiscussion before and so there's no surprises. And I'msure you'll try to do everything in an appropriate waygoing forward.So with that, I think we're spinning ourwheels a little bit.MS. CLARK: Your Honor, respectfully, I donot want to walk out of this courtroom withoutunderstanding the order with respect to the receiver.Does he have to have a bond? What is the language goingto look like so that I can inform my client, at aminimum, how to get ready for the disruption that is
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Jennifer Gajevsky certifies the requested proceedings and exhibits accurately transcribed, with /s/ signature and CSR 9250. Unofficial district-clerk watermark remains; this compilation is a transcript rather than the original hearing audio or appended admitted disclosure.
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137HearingJanuary 16, 2024STATE OF TEXAS COUNTY OF HARRIS I, Jennifer Gajevsky, Official Court Reporter in andfor the 129th District Court of Harris, State ofTexas, do hereby certify that the above andforegoing contains a true and correct transcriptionof all portions of evidence and other proceedingsrequested in writing by counsel for the parties tobe included in this volume of the Reporter's Recordin the above-styled and numbered cause, all of whichoccurred in open court or in chambers and werereported by me.I further certify that this Reporter's Record of theproceedings truly and correctly reflects theexhibits, if any, offered by the respective parties. /s/ Jennifer Gajevsky Jennifer Gajevsky, CSR Texas CSR 9250 Official Court Reporter 129th District Court Harris County, Texas 201 Caroline Houston, Texas 77002 Expiration: 2/2026
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Vargo identifies the Catalyst subsidiary/lease as an asset. Clark stipulates from preparing an amended lease to leased Spring premises containing manufactured drones, but asserts the drones belong to the United States and cannot be levied. Leasehold ownership and inventory title are distinct propositions.
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21HearingJanuary 16, 2024just got to tell me one thing.MR. VARGO: Right. Just -- THE COURT: I mean, if the order says Iget to do more than one thing, you're going to have aproblem; but that gets us there.MR. VARGO: Sure. It's going to be thesubsidiary named Catalyst Metalworks [sic], which has anoffice and a manufacturing facility located at21631 Rhodes Road, Spring, Texas 77388. This is a21,450-square-foot facility with a renewable three-yearlease with one and a quarter years remaining.THE COURT: So what are you seeking?MR. VARGO: We're seeking a turnover ofthat -- of the subsidiary.THE COURT: So -- what kind of businessentity is it?MR. VARGO: Well --MR. GRADY: Manufacturer.THE COURT: I mean, no, what kind of --MR. GRADY: Yeah, it's an LLC, I believe,Your Honor. Actually, I don't know that for sure.Your Honor, this is a -- Plaintiffs'Exhibit 2 is an operating report of Cyberlux, which is acorporation. And as a corporation, it discloses itsincome in this. This report is dated September 30th,
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Pennetti acknowledges no RFA responses had been served, citing the pending protection motion. Clark acknowledges Catalyst is a wholly owned subsidiary and that unobjectionable requests should have been answered separately; objections were placed in motions instead.
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25HearingJanuary 16, 2024THE COURT: The Court is back on therecord. So I've been tendered a copy ofPlaintiffs' first set of requests for admissions todefendant.Did they respond to that, the RFAs?MR. PENNETTI: Sorry, Your Honor?THE COURT: I'm assuming they responded tothe RFAs?MR. PENNETTI: Judge, we have a Motion forProtection pending. We asked for a hearing on that.Mr. Grady didn't give us availability. Your firstavailability when I asked for the hearing was actuallyMonday of this week, and I never got a substantiveresponse on that. And then we engaged on a variety ofother motion --THE COURT: So you haven't responded tothe RFAs?MR. PENNETTI: No.And, again, Your Honor, as Ms. Clarkpointed out, those are not standard post-judgment RFAsanyways. They're outside the scope. The scope ofpost-judgment discovery is relevant to the collectionefforts. And most of those, as you'll see, are not.MR. VARGO: Admit that Cyberlux has not
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Gomez says possible overlap with Virginia merits issues does not itself defeat collection discovery. Vargo calls the security-clearance request nonprobative; Grady attributes the ordinary-drone explanation to his client and disclaims personal knowledge.
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28HearingJanuary 16, 2024litigation, and I'm not familiar with it. But if you have -- if fraudulentlytransferred assets, right, and they want to know whatyou own, when you transferred it -- MS. CLARK: Yeah.THE COURT: Misrepresentations that weremade regarding ownership or whatever, yeah, theycould -- that's not necessarily -- I mean, collection isa very broad umbrella, because then he could --potentially a receiver, they could a file fraudulenttransfer claim against somebody else that you may havetransferred assets to that they would need that theywould be entitled to get discovery on those issues inpost-judgment discovery because it's about what youowned -- MS. CLARK: Right.THE COURT: -- and how you may havemisrepresented what you owned or how it was transferredor -- so I don't know that that's necessarily a problem.I think -- so on -- let me see.MS. CLARK: But to the extent that theyare for this dual purpose, Your Honor, or with respectto the substantive operations, the day-to-day operationsof the business, or anything else, that is why we askedfor -- okay. If we're going to go full scope, not
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Clark says payments complied with settlement, about $500,000 had been garnished, and disputes balance figures. She contrasts $453,859.17 plus $394,504.20 and $371,307.60 legal fees, stated total $1,219,671.97, with $1,430,551.30 in the motion, and estimates roughly $800,000 owed. These are counsel positions, not a settled ledger.
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31HearingJanuary 16, 2024Virginia matter with all of the other stuff that hasnothing to do with financials. As I stated earlier when I used thehypothetical number of 50 requests and I said 22 of themwere -- let's just call it, don't need to be respondedto, they still could have responded to the 28. They arenot telling us where their assets are.We have an asset right here that's readyto be sold. We're not hearing, It's far sale. Okay?We're not hearing, Why don't we jointly go sell thistogether. You get your judgment payoff and pay us thebalance.We're not hearing any of that. That'swhat we should be hearing.MS. CLARK: Well, Your Honor, as I'vesaid, we have paid this judgment down, from ourperspective, exactly in accordance with the settlementagreement. The parties had litigation. They settledthe litigation. Part of the settlement said, Here's thetotal we agree to settle, and we will pay it out overtime. And we have done that. They don't agree.They didn't like the timing on the payments. And sothey have commenced post-judgment discovery, collectionefforts. They've garnished bank accounts, half a
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Before the later recorded oath, Welter says approximately $1.4 million remains including collection fees, describes November/December payments initially as not accepted, then clarifies they were credited but rejected as settlement. He alleges defaults since October 2023/May 2024. Gomez queries whether additional collection fees were reduced to an order; Grady is uncertain about another order outside this domestication.
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34HearingJanuary 16, 2024amount, but it is nowhere near $1.5 million.THE COURT: So what do you think you owe?MS. CLARK: Let me see, I have it here.Mr. Welter.MR. WELTER: Yes, Judge. Good morning,Judge.THE COURT: Yeah, is --MR. WELTER: Oh, are you asking me, Judge?THE COURT: Are you affiliated -- is heaffiliated with somebody?MR. GRADY: He's the managing director -- MR. WELTER: Yes, Judge.MR. GRADY: -- yes, of the plaintiffs'entity -- plaintiff entities.THE COURT: Okay.MR. WELTER: Can you hear me, Judge?THE COURT: Yes.MR. WELTER: Okay. So, first of all, whenshe talks about the -- when counsel talks about theattorney's fees, that was for the initial litigation,Judge. The $300,000 plus is we are -- under thesettlement agreement, we are entitled to collectattorney's fees in collecting the settlement agreement.I also need to correct counsel. They arenot current on their payments. The reason Mr. Petersen
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Welter recounts an offered 30-day confidentiality arrangement extendable pending hearing. Grady objects principally to AEO, alleging overseas financials may be shams while disclaiming detailed knowledge. Gomez announces entry of a joint confidentiality order using the 125th court form, subject to later designation disputes.
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41HearingJanuary 16, 2024MR. WELTER: So on the protective order --and sorry if I'm -- I'm an attorney, as well, Judge, andjust running the business as managing director. But on the protective order, we couldn'tdisagree on it. So we went above and beyond. We saidthat instead of saying -- requiring one party to saythis is confidential, you know, and the other partydisagrees, we said that we would, under Rule 11 of theTexas -- we would agree that we would hold the entiredeposition, everything in the whole deposition,confidential for 30 days, which would give them a chanceto come to your court, Judge, and ask them -- ask you tomake decisions on this, whatever issues they had, andthen any objections that they -- and we also offeredthem, Judge, that if they weren't able to get a hearingbefore the Court within 30 days, we would extend it aslong as they could get a hearing. And it just made it so simple, becausethey're tangling the three separate state litigationstogether. And if we enter a protective order in thiscase, it's going to wind up -- we're not going to beable to admit it in another case, the documents.So the easiest way was we gave them morethan they were asking. And we said the entiredeposition, everything in the deposition, will be held
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130William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. Clarkreasonably small amount of property that's going to besold that's not going to satisfy the judgment, he needsto absolutely sequester that, keep it safe, and makesure that he has the ability to sell it.Many times things might weigh a lot. Atransport could be crazy. I can tell you personallythat I went to South Texas one time and dealt with 23locomotives. I had to get a special court order out ofHarris County to specifically sequester the property inplace and hold an auction within 48 hours.Well, there was a lot of heavy equipment.It was 2 miles from the border. All types ofcircumstances come up that would require very heightenedauthority. In this instance, that doesn't mean he hasto use it.MS. CLARK: We're not talking about --they identified leasehold rights and stock. We are nottalking about the property that's inside it, which theystate is owned by a subsidiary, we state is owned by thegovernment. So we're talking about stock. We'retalking about leasehold rights. So that's where I havethe issue.THE COURT: Right. Mr. Berleth, you're not going to sellgovernment property, right?
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133William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. Clarkproperty interests. They deal with the government. Thegovernment may have some interest, and you don't want torun afoul of any of those potential issues. And so I assume you're going to try toclear all that up and make sure you're doing the rightthing as it relates to that kind of property.MR. BERLETH: Correct, Your Honor. I havenot been as successful in this courthouse by beingunreasonable.THE COURT: Again, and some of this isrhetorical; but we're just having this conversation onthe record so there's no misunderstandings. And you --I'm sure you're -- I'm sure this is not anything that isa problem; but just so we're clear, we've had thisdiscussion before and so there's no surprises. And I'msure you'll try to do everything in an appropriate waygoing forward.So with that, I think we're spinning ourwheels a little bit.MS. CLARK: Your Honor, respectfully, I donot want to walk out of this courtroom withoutunderstanding the order with respect to the receiver.Does he have to have a bond? What is the language goingto look like so that I can inform my client, at aminimum, how to get ready for the disruption that is
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50HearingJanuary 16, 2024compensated with attorney's fees, I'll award attorney'sfees to the degree that they -- it's post-judgment.They should be complying. They should be giving youstuff. To the degree that you have to spend time,write motions, do that thing, I'm going to awardattorney's fees, right? So you're going to get thatback to the degree you can get any of that back.But we're spending a lot of time talkingabout hypotheticals. Let's see what they do, and thenwe talk about what happens. So I'll go ahead and enterthat order, and then we can move on discovery and thenwe can move on to this other stuff.So the Court -- what are the -- so what'sthe outstanding discovery? So you have your firstrequest, and then you have -- you want to do aninspection, and then you wanted to do depos.MR. GRADY: Yes, Your Honor.THE COURT: What did you want to deal withfirst?MR. GRADY: Depositions.THE COURT: So who are you looking to dodepos of?MR. GRADY: Three witnesses; NeillWhiteley, Phil Tucker, and Mark Schmidt. Mark Schmidt
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93William Welter - January 16, 2024Direct Examination by Mr. Vargoor important concerning Section 5 on page 18 of 46?A Well, it -- in this section, it details thedifferent companies that are involved with Cyberlux. Ittalks about their -- what is located at each facility.And primarily to Texas, it says, Catalyst Machineworkshas its offices and manufacturing facilities located at21631 Road, Spring, Texas 77488. And then it goes on to say, This is a21,450-foot square-foot facility, with a renewablethree-year lease, with one and a quarter year remaining.Q Is this document a true and correct copy of thedisclosure that you downloaded from the OTC's website?A Yes.Q All right. I see the next paragraph down thererefers to "our Datron World Communications subsidiary." Is that what it says there?MS. CLARK: Your Honor, I object. Thedocument speaks for itself -- A That is correct.MR. CLARK: -- and it's not in evidence,Your Honor.THE COURT: That's fine.MR. VARGO: I move to admit thedisclosure.THE COURT: You're seeking to move what,
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93William Welter - January 16, 2024Direct Examination by Mr. Vargoor important concerning Section 5 on page 18 of 46?A Well, it -- in this section, it details thedifferent companies that are involved with Cyberlux. Ittalks about their -- what is located at each facility.And primarily to Texas, it says, Catalyst Machineworkshas its offices and manufacturing facilities located at21631 Road, Spring, Texas 77488. And then it goes on to say, This is a21,450-foot square-foot facility, with a renewablethree-year lease, with one and a quarter year remaining.Q Is this document a true and correct copy of thedisclosure that you downloaded from the OTC's website?A Yes.Q All right. I see the next paragraph down thererefers to "our Datron World Communications subsidiary." Is that what it says there?MS. CLARK: Your Honor, I object. Thedocument speaks for itself -- A That is correct.MR. CLARK: -- and it's not in evidence,Your Honor.THE COURT: That's fine.MR. VARGO: I move to admit thedisclosure.THE COURT: You're seeking to move what,
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Law Firm of Shawn Grady, PLLC
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Mr. Travis Vargas
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THOMPSON COBURN LLP
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Counsel for Counsel for Cyberlux Corporation
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Ms. Katharine Clark
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THOMPSON COBURN LLP
2100 Ross Avenue
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Dallas, Texas 75201
Counsel for Counsel for Cyberlux Corporation
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William Welter
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86William Welter - January 16, 2024Direct Examination by Mr. VargoIt's not doing that. I'm not sure why. And so I'moutputting what he's saying through the laptop speakers.I think Mr. Welter is getting a little bit of that.We're getting a little bit of reverb. But in any event, let's see if we can makethat work for right now.MR. VARGO: Certainly. Are we ready to proceed?THE COURT: Yes.MR. VARGO: Let's see if we can make itwork.Do we need to swear in the witness?THE COURT: Hold on a second. Let me...(Discussion held off the record)(Witness duly sworn)THE COURT: You may proceed, Counselor.WILLIAM WELTER, having been first duly sworn, testified as follows: DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. VARGO: Q Please state your name.A William Welter.Q Mr. Walter, what is your affiliation to thismatter?(Technical difficulties)
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Robert Berleth
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118William Welter - January 16, 2024Cross-Examination by Ms. ClarkMR. VARGO: I can cut out any duplicativestuff; but, I mean, I would submit that the RFPs thatare attached -- I say "RFPs," the requests for documentsrelated to the debtor that we ordered be produced, thisis, you know, elementary-type stuff. Where are yourbank accounts? What are your assets?THE COURT: Right. And so I understandthere's a continuing obligation and whatnot. That'sfine. Why don't you take a look at that. And you cantake a look at the form.MR. VARGO: I can condense it and cut itdown and obviously send an MS Word to your staff so youcan -- with copy to counsel, of course.MS. CLARK: Your Honor, I really thinkit's important to go through this order. Because thisis an extreme remedy to have a receiver appointed tojust come in and open our mail, change our locks.THE COURT: So is that the plan, or what'sthe plan? And so why don't you introduce yourselffor the record.MR. BERLETH: Your Honor, may I approach?THE COURT: Yes. MR. BERLETH: My name is Robert Berleth.I'm the proposed receiver. I am a member in good
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Jennifer Gajevsky
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137HearingJanuary 16, 2024STATE OF TEXAS COUNTY OF HARRIS I, Jennifer Gajevsky, Official Court Reporter in andfor the 129th District Court of Harris, State ofTexas, do hereby certify that the above andforegoing contains a true and correct transcriptionof all portions of evidence and other proceedingsrequested in writing by counsel for the parties tobe included in this volume of the Reporter's Recordin the above-styled and numbered cause, all of whichoccurred in open court or in chambers and werereported by me.I further certify that this Reporter's Record of theproceedings truly and correctly reflects theexhibits, if any, offered by the respective parties. /s/ Jennifer Gajevsky Jennifer Gajevsky, CSR Texas CSR 9250 Official Court Reporter 129th District Court Harris County, Texas 201 Caroline Houston, Texas 77002 Expiration: 2/2026
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Charles Watts
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52HearingJanuary 16, 2024outside the range of the dates we had proposed inJanuary.THE COURT: So I understand he's overseas;but, like, generally, when does he come back? Wheredoes he live? What's the --MS. CLARK: Your Honor, I don't know wherehe lives. I believe that he is on the East Coast. Thecompany is in North Carolina. I believe he lives in oraround that area, but I don't know that. That's acomplete -- I'm just guessing. I don't speak withMr. Schmidt. That's not my client contact.THE COURT: Who's your client contact?MS. CLARK: I speak with their outsidein-house counsel, Mr. Charles Watts. And so I haveaccess to Mr. Watts. I don't know how much access hehas to his schedule immediately, but he could tell methe answers to the questions you're asking.THE COURT: When would you like hisdeposition?MR. GRADY: In the next 30 days,Your Honor. And we would like it in person, as well.MS. CLARK: I just think that's going tobe difficult, but -- I mean, and I don't understand thenecessity, especially given what we've lived throughthrough COVID. A deposition is a deposition, but --
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Neill Whiteley
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55HearingJanuary 16, 2024imagine why we couldn't find a time and a date in30 days that we can present him. We've been able to dothat each time we've gone out looking for dates.THE COURT: Okay. And let me tablewhether it's in person or not for a moment.Who are the other two folks?MR. GRADY: Neill Whiteley and PhillipTucker.THE COURT: Whiteley. And what's hisrelationship to the case?MR. GRADY: So there's been some confusionor -- you know, we asked opposing counsel, you know,their capacities and were told different things atdifferent times. I've got notes.THE COURT: I'm sorry. Whiteley'srelationship, again, is what?MR. GRADY: Well, we believe that they'reexecutives of Cyberlux and that they're represented bysame counsel over here.THE COURT: Is that true?MS. CLARK: No, Your Honor. AndMr. Pennetti knows the details.MR. PENNETTI: It's been our understandingthey've been consultants. I've conveyed thatconsistently ever since this started. Both of them were
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1HearingJanuary 16, 2024 REPORTER'S RECORD VOLUME 1 OF 1 VOLUMES TRIAL COURT CAUSE NO. 2024-48085 ATLANTIC WAVE HOLDINGS, ) IN THE DISTRICT COURT LLC AND SECURE COMMUNITY, )LLC )) vs. ) HARRIS COUNTY, TEXAS ) CYBERLUX CORPORATION AND )MARK D. )SCHMIDT, INDIVIDUALLY ) 129TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT _____________________________________________ HEARING _____________________________________________ On the 16TH day of January, 2025, the followingproceedings came on to be held in the above-titledand numbered cause before the Honorable MichaelGomez, Judge Presiding, held in Houston, HarrisCounty, Texas. Proceedings reported by computerized stenotypemachine.
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Court corrects inspection date to January 22; subsequent compliance not shown.
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73HearingJanuary 16, 2024I'm going to put January 29th. For theinspection, by January 29th -- oh, I'm sorry. ByJanuary 22nd.Okay. So we are -- you requested a writof execution. Have you -- have you tried to --MR. GRADY: We got possession of it, and Ibelieve it got FedEx'd to the constable in Spring, youknow, in the jurisdiction of the Spring warehouse. Andso it should be --MR. VARGO: Just say no. MR. GRADY: Huh?MR. VARGO: Just say no. MR. GRADY: What? No?MR. VARGO: No, it hasn't been executed.MR. GRADY: Oh, it hasn't been -- oh, I'msorry. I'm sorry. It hasn't been executed. I'mgetting a little tired. Sorry.THE COURT: Okay. So you have anapplication for turnover after judgment to appointreceiver. We talked a little bit about why before. Soyou have an outstanding -- or you believe an outstandingjudgment debt for about 1.4 million; is that right?MR. GRADY: Yes, Your Honor.THE COURT: Why is it that you need areceiver?
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72HearingJanuary 16, 2024discussing dates with the other side. They're importantwitnesses; Charles Watts, Chuck Watts, and JimmyRobinson, too. So we -- and that's it. That's all thedepositions. I forgot to mention those. My apologies.THE COURT: That's fine. But you haven'tnoticed them yet, right?MR. GRADY: We have not. We werediscussing dates and trying to arrange it.THE COURT: I'll just see if you folks canwork it out, and then the assumption is that they'llprovide you dates soon. And then you'll find a datewithin the next -- within a reasonable time period. MR. GRADY: Okay.THE COURT: If they don't provide dates,then we can have a conversation about it. But I'll letyou work together first.MR. GRADY: Will do, Your Honor.THE COURT: Okay. Let me go ahead and --how much time did you need to respond to the discoveryrequests?MR. PENNETTI: Judge, may I havetwo weeks?THE COURT: Is that fine? Fourteen days?MR. GRADY: Fourteen days, calender days?THE COURT: Yes.
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The early no-turnover discussion cannot be used as the final disposition: the later announcement grants receivership subject to an amended,
The early no-turnover discussion cannot be used as the final disposition: the later announcement grants receivership subject to an amended, limited order. The transcript must be read across that evolution.
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Government-property objections were squarely aired and acknowledged before appointment, but neither concession of lease rights nor subsidiar
Government-property objections were squarely aired and acknowledged before appointment, but neither concession of lease rights nor subsidiary ownership determines title to the goods.
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The balance dispute requires separation of original judgment principal/fees, payments and later collection costs; the hearing does not suppl
The balance dispute requires separation of original judgment principal/fees, payments and later collection costs; the hearing does not supply a reconciled payoff.
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Complete supplied 138-page source reviewed at SHA-256 a5c4955f722de9fbce8c2835d48c5ebad6f1c9aaa76d170357a8296310c6bd5c. Source assertions, original visual features, filing/communication context and identified missing attachments are retained. All 138 physical pages read in full from fingerprinted own-source text, including divider, preliminary discussion, oath, full direct/cross, closing directions and certificate. Twelve own page images checked for title/header discrepancy, appearance spelling, financial figures, corrected dates, oath, evidentiary ruling, final appointment/scope, property-interest caution, circulation process and reporter signature. Other pages were fully text-read, not claimed visually checked. No prior-source duplication assumed.
What did the signed amended order ultimately authorise, and how were scope, bond, fees and third-party interests implemented?
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Which ledger and fee orders reconcile the competing balances and credited payments?
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Clark preserves objections to broad records, mail, lock, cash and business-control powers. Vargo agrees turnover is against the company only; Gomez directs removal of Schmidt from the amended turnover order. Discovery remains broader than the limited turnover property.supportsWhat did the signed amended order ultimately authorise, and how were scope, bond, fees and third-party interests implemented?
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Gomez announces he will grant the application and appoint a receiver, expressly stating the proposed order then before him is not the order he will enter and requires amendments.supportsWhat did the signed amended order ultimately authorise, and how were scope, bond, fees and third-party interests implemented?
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Clark distinguishes subsidiary stock/lease rights from warehouse goods asserted government-owned. Gomez asks Berleth not to sell government property and expressly stresses potential liens/security/government interests; Berleth agrees to respect those boundaries. This is notice of unresolved interests and expected restraint, not an adjudication that particular drones are federal property.supportsGovernment-property objections were squarely aired and acknowledged before appointment, but neither concession of lease rights nor subsidiary ownership determines title to the goods.
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Before the later recorded oath, Welter says approximately $1.4 million remains including collection fees, describes November/December payments initially as not accepted, then clarifies they were credited but rejected as settlement. He alleges defaults since October 2023/May 2024. Gomez queries whether additional collection fees were reduced to an order; Grady is uncertain about another order outside this domestication.supportsThe balance dispute requires separation of original judgment principal/fees, payments and later collection costs; the hearing does not supply a reconciled payoff.
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Clark distinguishes subsidiary stock/lease rights from warehouse goods asserted government-owned. Gomez asks Berleth not to sell government property and expressly stresses potential liens/security/government interests; Berleth agrees to respect those boundaries. This is notice of unresolved interests and expected restraint, not an adjudication that particular drones are federal property.supportsDid this hearing authorise unrestricted seizure and adjudicate federal title?
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Clark preserves objections to broad records, mail, lock, cash and business-control powers. Vargo agrees turnover is against the company only; Gomez directs removal of Schmidt from the amended turnover order. Discovery remains broader than the limited turnover property.supportsThe early no-turnover discussion cannot be used as the final disposition: the later announcement grants receivership subject to an amended, limited order. The transcript must be read across that evolution.
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Early discussion explores a discovery-focused receiver without immediate turnover, AEO restrictions and the need for an identified nonexempt asset. These are preliminary positions, not the final disposition reached later.supportsThe early no-turnover discussion cannot be used as the final disposition: the later announcement grants receivership subject to an amended, limited order. The transcript must be read across that evolution.
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Vargo identifies the Catalyst subsidiary/lease as an asset. Clark stipulates from preparing an amended lease to leased Spring premises containing manufactured drones, but asserts the drones belong to the United States and cannot be levied. Leasehold ownership and inventory title are distinct propositions.supportsGovernment-property objections were squarely aired and acknowledged before appointment, but neither concession of lease rights nor subsidiary ownership determines title to the goods.
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Clark says payments complied with settlement, about $500,000 had been garnished, and disputes balance figures. She contrasts $453,859.17 plus $394,504.20 and $371,307.60 legal fees, stated total $1,219,671.97, with $1,430,551.30 in the motion, and estimates roughly $800,000 owed. These are counsel positions, not a settled ledger.supportsThe balance dispute requires separation of original judgment principal/fees, payments and later collection costs; the hearing does not supply a reconciled payoff.
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Clark maintains settlement compliance and reports a California stay. Gomez says he relies on the unsuperseded Virginia judgment unless Virginia acts, and requires an amended turnover order confined to assets supported by evidence, identified in dialogue as Datron and the other entity.supportsThe early no-turnover discussion cannot be used as the final disposition: the later announcement grants receivership subject to an amended, limited order. The transcript must be read across that evolution.
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Before the later recorded oath, Welter says approximately $1.4 million remains including collection fees, describes November/December payments initially as not accepted, then clarifies they were credited but rejected as settlement. He alleges defaults since October 2023/May 2024. Gomez queries whether additional collection fees were reduced to an order; Grady is uncertain about another order outside this domestication.supportsWhich ledger and fee orders reconcile the competing balances and credited payments?
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Clark asks about bond and seeks immediate written order to preserve clarity and remedies. Gomez declines in-court interlineation, requires amendment/circulation/conference and feedback, allows objections until Monday and anticipates entry Tuesday. Vargo promises a draft tomorrow. No signed receiver order or later performance is appended.supportsWhat did the signed amended order ultimately authorise, and how were scope, bond, fees and third-party interests implemented?
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Clark asks about bond and seeks immediate written order to preserve clarity and remedies. Gomez declines in-court interlineation, requires amendment/circulation/conference and feedback, allows objections until Monday and anticipates entry Tuesday. Vargo promises a draft tomorrow. No signed receiver order or later performance is appended.supportsDid this hearing authorise unrestricted seizure and adjudicate federal title?
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Clark distinguishes subsidiary stock/lease rights from warehouse goods asserted government-owned. Gomez asks Berleth not to sell government property and expressly stresses potential liens/security/government interests; Berleth agrees to respect those boundaries. This is notice of unresolved interests and expected restraint, not an adjudication that particular drones are federal property.supportsWhat did the signed amended order ultimately authorise, and how were scope, bond, fees and third-party interests implemented?
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Receiver fees, qualifications and overlapping discovery require amended drafting. Clark describes a proposed 25 percent cap; Vargo agrees to address fees and specificity. Gomez preserves receiver discovery but requires coordination with discovery already ordered.supportsWhat did the signed amended order ultimately authorise, and how were scope, bond, fees and third-party interests implemented?
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Welter believes $177,126.19 judgment fees were paid and confirms sanctions of $3,895 and $6,842.50 were paid. He explains roughly $371,307 in further fees by settlement entitlement, expressly saying they are not in the examined Virginia order. The transcript gives inconsistent dates for the Petersen letter and both .60/.66 fee endings; retain that uncertainty.supportsThe balance dispute requires separation of original judgment principal/fees, payments and later collection costs; the hearing does not supply a reconciled payoff.
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Gomez announces he will grant the application and appoint a receiver, expressly stating the proposed order then before him is not the order he will enter and requires amendments.supportsThe early no-turnover discussion cannot be used as the final disposition: the later announcement grants receivership subject to an amended, limited order. The transcript must be read across that evolution.
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Clark says payments complied with settlement, about $500,000 had been garnished, and disputes balance figures. She contrasts $453,859.17 plus $394,504.20 and $371,307.60 legal fees, stated total $1,219,671.97, with $1,430,551.30 in the motion, and estimates roughly $800,000 owed. These are counsel positions, not a settled ledger.supportsWhich ledger and fee orders reconcile the competing balances and credited payments?
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Clark asks about bond and seeks immediate written order to preserve clarity and remedies. Gomez declines in-court interlineation, requires amendment/circulation/conference and feedback, allows objections until Monday and anticipates entry Tuesday. Vargo promises a draft tomorrow. No signed receiver order or later performance is appended.supportsThe early no-turnover discussion cannot be used as the final disposition: the later announcement grants receivership subject to an amended, limited order. The transcript must be read across that evolution.
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
The report is admitted as Plaintiffs Exhibit 2 after hearsay objections. Clark accepts its source and Schmidt/Downing certification but argues consolidated retrospective accounts do not identify debtor-specific executable assets. Gomez overrules hearsay while leaving weight and meaning open; admission is not a title finding.supportsGovernment-property objections were squarely aired and acknowledged before appointment, but neither concession of lease rights nor subsidiary ownership determines title to the goods.
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Clark preserves objections to broad records, mail, lock, cash and business-control powers. Vargo agrees turnover is against the company only; Gomez directs removal of Schmidt from the amended turnover order. Discovery remains broader than the limited turnover property.supportsDid this hearing authorise unrestricted seizure and adjudicate federal title?
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Gomez announces he will grant the application and appoint a receiver, expressly stating the proposed order then before him is not the order he will enter and requires amendments.supportsDid this hearing authorise unrestricted seizure and adjudicate federal title?
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
Welter believes $177,126.19 judgment fees were paid and confirms sanctions of $3,895 and $6,842.50 were paid. He explains roughly $371,307 in further fees by settlement entitlement, expressly saying they are not in the examined Virginia order. The transcript gives inconsistent dates for the Petersen letter and both .60/.66 fee endings; retain that uncertainty.supportsWhich ledger and fee orders reconcile the competing balances and credited payments?
Specifically named source propositions support the bounded distinction or question.
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